Tips For A Successful Long Term Relationship/Marriage Between A Thai And A Westerner Part One

During a chat this week over Thai and Western relationships the question was pondered as to why so many don’t make it and fall by the wayside. The question continued to what are some tips for a  successful long-term Thai/Western marriage or relationship?

This got me thinking so much that I thought I must turn this in to a post and try to add  a bit of light to it, if I possibly could.

The internet is well documented with Thai/Western cross cultural relationship stories. I find more often than not it will place the problems or blame firmly at the door of one side or the other, usually depending whether you are Thai or Western.

When you read or hear about some of the problems within Thai/Western cross cultural relationships it usually trots out as part of its mantra. ”My Western or farang boyfriend/husband does not understand me” or ”my Thai girlfriend/wife is being so un-reasonable” , or why does one or the other do this or that.. More often than not we have a habit of assuming the stories that we hear to be the general rule.

We have a habit of stereo-typing each other by saying  incorrectly that Thais are like this” or ”Farangs are like that” . Assumption is usually made from either…..

  • You heard this from someone (or a few people)
  • You read it somewhere (or in a few places)
  • Or you have had experience of this ( just the one experience perhaps)

Each relationship is totally unique  and although as  nationals of our countries we carry traits of our own nation, we are in fact totally our own person. I like the word assume  as it associates nicely (Ass – U-Me) you make an ass out of  U and me by assuming and generalising. So each separate relationship deserves to be conducted on its own merit.

So what are some tips that could possibly help in the quest for a successful long-term relationship/Marriage between a Thai and a Westerner

First of all I believe it is tougher as not only do you have to battle with the normal problems that exist in any marriage/relationship, but then with the cultural aspect of the relationship as well.

For me the key to most of it as in life relates to learning and education. The learning begins right at the start of your relationship when you have  just met.

  • Taking Your Time

At the beginning taking your time getting to know each other is essential. I know it can be difficult if it’s a holiday romance or something and you have to return home to your country to work. I feel though it is far better to go back three or four times with periods of time in between than get married within the first month or something like that. First of all if the relationship is surviving the distance apart and the periods of time you are away from each other, then something is good with it.  Secondly there maybe a bit more money spent on plane flights etc, but far cheaper than a divorce shortly down the road. Surely taking your time is good I mean what’s the rush.

  • Personality and Personal Experience

So much is made of culture, but once you get past the culture it really is down to an individual’s personality. I would go one further, a big part of how we are shaped is down to personality and own personal experiences. Getting to know each other over a longer period of time will also show up things in each others personality, things you may like and not like, things you can tolerate or not tolerate. It is again a bit late further down the marriage road to discover these things. Not only late, but expensive.

  • Learn about each others culture

This is where the generalisation tends to come in to play and here is probably as far as most get in their analysis. So what is it that we know about Thailand off the top of our heads in a random quick fire list.

Thais greet each other with a polite Wai, they smile often, they take pride in their appearance, they enjoy eating, engaging in small talk, visiting and making friends, temple life. Family life is massively important, taking care of the parents a must and  very superstitious. They also believe in  taking responsibility for their own destiny and making  merit. Now that barely scratches the surface, but it is a start.

Now lets move on to the Westerners. However if there is one word that I always struggle with  it is ”farang”.  The word is basically a term applied to westerner or someone of caucasian origin it includes Europeans, Americans, Canadians and Australians. The reason I struggle is that when the Thais talk about farang it indicates the whole lot that I have just mentioned above. I know for a fact that having visited half of Europe, America, Canada and Australia there are many differences between us all. Yes we do have a lot of banter together, but there are certainly differences.

This is I think a plus and a minus for the Thai people. Us westerners have a hard enough job figuring out the different Thais from different regions. Goodness knows how the Thais feel trying to figure out the whole of the western world that are visiting them. Yes it must be confusing at times.

I am not going to  run the generalisation rule over our western cousins, even having visited most of them. So with me being English I will stick to England for now.

So what would a Thai person have heard or know about the English. In the old days and I have heard many Thais say this, that they like the English because they are gentlemen. There are of course still a few gentlemen left, but mostly that has given way now to the drunken bare-chested lout that if he does not have a couple of stomach pump outs during the weekend through alcohol over indulgence, has had a dull weekend.  Actually that statement should not only be associated with the male, but with the female as well.

Aside from those there is still fish and chips, waiting in line patiently (queuing), complaining about the weather, complaining about most things ,the love of football , road rage, a good sense of humour, pale, white and pasty through a lack of sunshine and having a cup of tea when things don’t go to plan. There is of course plenty more to the English but that gets the ball rolling oh sorry I forgot to add coronation street and East Enders.

Now off the top of my head I have just generalised about Thais and English people in a rather tongue in cheek manner, but this is the normal route that people take. Once you get beyond these stereo-typical cultural starters  you can really delve in and  start to discover the real culture of each others country. I would say learning about each others culture and history a very major contribution to make. A lot about the why (somebody may do something) can possibly be found  in the culture.

  • Define this further and learn about the areas they were born and grew up in

Now you’re getting to the crux of the matter, its like an internet search. You have searched hotels in Thailand, but now you define it by searching for cheap hotels in Thailand. The culture of the area your partner was born and grew up in is another major key point in the jig-saw puzzle.

The North-East of Thailand or Isan อีสาน in Thai is so different from the North of Thailand and those both so different from the South of Thailand etc. The regions have a culture all of their own.

If you take just one region The North-East of Thailand. The main economic activity is Agriculture, but they do have a hard time with the land being so dry and hot. They have their own language, a dialect of the Lao language, but Thai is spoken by mostly every one. Isan culture is influenced by Lao and they have much in common with the country Laos. Folk music is loved known as morlam หมอลำม, Thai Boxing known as Muay Thai มวยไทย, cock-fighting, delicious sticky rice and som tam ส้มตำ Papaya salad. These are just a few of the things about the North Eastern people. There is far more than this of course.

The same also applies to the other regions of Thailand. In the UK of course the various counties all have their various traditions, accents and much banter and mickey taking between everyone. I know they do in the various states, cities and towns of Australia, New Zealand, U.S.A and Canada as well.

Defining and learning about a partners regional culture or the area they are from  will start to make the ”why” (they may do something) possibly even  clearer.

Part Two to follow shortly.

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9 thoughts on “Tips For A Successful Long Term Relationship/Marriage Between A Thai And A Westerner Part One

  1. Thats a good start of something for someone,to keep that in mind how things could possibly related to their own involvement of him or her.The Thais is expecping alot for the “Farank” to understand them,with out even telling him!they assume with out even thinking!!thats a BIG problems with Thais women.Assuming&expecping from the BF or Husband,wrongly think yes&no to her self!

  2. Thank you Keown for your comment.
    Having had experience of being in a Thai/Western relationship what areas did you find most difficult? Did you find many communication problems existed?

    1. Yes hell..its very late replying communication of having to explained not in my langauge,its very very hard to put in the right meaning or the right words Trev..I gets so frustrated when its comes to explaining to my BF(english)as far as my behaviour is concerned,he couldn’t understand why I behave the way I behave!! there is always the reason behide it,how and why we speak or behave the way we do..I can’t speak to him in a Thai mentality,very hard for him to understand it..and I ended up getting angry!!and that where hes seeing why I always gets so angry!! what ever disagreement accured..its almost like you’ve got to understand each other behaviour toward each other!! killing each other with words is very common with me&my BF!! my problems is I am very sacastic and alot of thais are like that too..he cant stand that,gets so angry with me,when I’m being sacastic about everything..bluidy hard work!! incouraging your self to sorted out what ever the problems is,tahts what Ive been doing..sooo much I can say and point out with Thai/Western RTL..

  3. i agree with Keown i love my wife dearly and yes sometimes is very frustrating trying to talk with her about our relationship and learn to understand her i am always reading about Thai culture as i get very little imformation from her unless its to tell me off for an error i have made lol but she is a wonderful woman and i know she loves me, all relationships take work and understanding my absolute love for my wife and Thailand is all i need to make my marriage work

    1. I know where is your frustrating coming from bob!! I am influence in both Thai/Western culture,when I get pissed off over stuff he does or say things,my thai behaviour is shocking him lots of times!! I’d get acusation of being rude&inconsideration etc!! then I’d realized of my thai way of expressing my self head strong,and changed to the way how English is treated each other with a good manner!! I know alot of thais would shut you out,when its comes to difficulties situation or problems..Ive tried all me life against all odd(thai culture)to be fair and think about him,not just my way thinking he can read me mind!!..Iafter all these yrs I am still learning..

  4. Thanks for your comment Bob and a very positive view on what can sometimes be a very complicated subject that of relationships, whether cross-cultural or other.It is nice to see this sort of attitude and patience alongside genuine care to work through all situations.Nice to find somebody that is willing to try and understand the culture and traditions of Thailand and its people. I wish you and your wife all the best.

  5. Thanks as always Keown it appears that frustration lies very much on both sides. I think the majority of complications as you say can be associated with the language barrier and not being able to explain precisely what you mean.

    The comment you made about sarcasm interests me most.It is often quoted that Thai people and sarcasm do not go very well together as in the Thai is not fond of it. On the other hand I have also read that sarcasm is an integral part of Thai life. I thought it was more the English that had the sarcastic nature. Interesting comments Keown.

  6. “My pleasure hun..yes sarcasm its quite a big promblem between me&me man!!he hated when ever I for get not to do it,I can’t help it..its almost in every single thai person I think..and pretty normal to us to be like that part of thai sense of humor”

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